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TwoAllBeefPatties
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:26 pm
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I have funds sitting in a money market getting 5%/yr . If I am
correct, in 2008, any money in a tax deferred IRA can be converted to
a Roth in 2008. I am eying the possibility of starting a non-
deductible IRA, putting the funds in a money market and in 2008
convert to a ROTH and pay the taxes on the interest gains that the
money market accrued. Am I missing anything other than the
restricted access to the money in event of emergency? To me, this
seems like a great way to move money that sits in taxed money market
and put it in a tax-free vehicle to use for Roth account equity
investments later on. I am contributing fully to my IRA per annum and
my 401K, but that is not enough I think. I do not need the money now,
and feel that in my retirement years, the cost of things will be much
higher than now, hence the idea of having a tax-free account to pay
for things. Of course, watch and see a consumption tax replace an
income tax in later decades, lol.
Jerry
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:35 pm
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First I've heard of anything new for 2008 as far as moving from regular to
Roth accounts. Are you sure you won't pay income tax on amounts moved? I
would always keep a few months living expenses in a liquid account as
insurance against an emergency expense.

Jerry
"TwoAllBeefPatties" <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
I have funds sitting in a money market getting 5%/yr . If I am
correct, in 2008, any money in a tax deferred IRA can be converted to
a Roth in 2008. I am eying the possibility of starting a non-
deductible IRA, putting the funds in a money market and in 2008
convert to a ROTH and pay the taxes on the interest gains that the
money market accrued. Am I missing anything other than the
restricted access to the money in event of emergency? To me, this
seems like a great way to move money that sits in taxed money market
and put it in a tax-free vehicle to use for Roth account equity
investments later on. I am contributing fully to my IRA per annum and
my 401K, but that is not enough I think. I do not need the money now,
and feel that in my retirement years, the cost of things will be much
higher than now, hence the idea of having a tax-free account to pay
for things. Of course, watch and see a consumption tax replace an
income tax in later decades, lol.
Sandra Loosemore
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:52 pm
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TwoAllBeefPatties <kwokx2@hotmail.com> writes:

Quote:
I am eying the possibility of starting a non-
deductible IRA, putting the funds in a money market and in 2008
convert to a ROTH and pay the taxes on the interest gains that the
money market accrued. Am I missing anything other than the
restricted access to the money in event of emergency? [...]
I am contributing fully to my IRA per annum and
my 401K, but that is not enough I think.

If you are already fully funding an IRA (either a Roth IRA or
traditional deductible IRA), you can't sock even more money away in a
nondeductible IRA as well.

You need to read IRS publication 590 to read about the different kinds
of accounts and the contribution limits.
http://www.irs.gov/publications/p590/index.html

-Sandra the cynic
Ed
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:07 am
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"TwoAllBeefPatties" <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote

Quote:
I have funds sitting in a money market getting 5%/yr . If I am
correct, in 2008, any money in a tax deferred IRA can be converted to
a Roth in 2008.

I think what you are referring to is the bill that was passed that would let
you convert to a Roth in 2010. You can actually convert anytime you want to
but in 2010 you get to pay your taxes over two or more years. I can't
remember all of the details.
TwoAllBeefPatties
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:31 pm
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On Jul 14, 1:52 pm, Sandra Loosemore <san...@frogsonice.com> wrote:

Quote:
If you are already fully funding an IRA (either a Roth IRA or
traditional deductible IRA), you can't sock even more money away in a
nondeductible IRA as well.

You need to read IRS publication 590 to read about the different kinds
of accounts and the contribution limits.http://www.irs.gov/publications/p590/index.html

-Sandra the cynic


You are correct. Somehow I got it into my brain that I had a free
lunch with a non-deductible IRA. It would be nice to have a means to
shelter more than just $4000/yr and 401K contributions. Am I out of
line thinking that the government is screwing the US citizen over for
not allowing them to expand their retirement nest egg as they see fit?
I am seriously concerned about inflation, especially in the health
care sector. If I am still around in 30 years, I think we will have a
huge demand for taking care of the elderly and how do you suppose that
will happen?
Ed
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:25 pm
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"TwoAllBeefPatties" <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Jul 14, 1:52 pm, Sandra Loosemore <san...@frogsonice.com> wrote:

If you are already fully funding an IRA (either a Roth IRA or
traditional deductible IRA), you can't sock even more money away in a
nondeductible IRA as well.

You need to read IRS publication 590 to read about the different kinds
of accounts and the contribution
limits.http://www.irs.gov/publications/p590/index.html

-Sandra the cynic


You are correct. Somehow I got it into my brain that I had a free
lunch with a non-deductible IRA. It would be nice to have a means to
shelter more than just $4000/yr and 401K contributions. Am I out of
line thinking that the government is screwing the US citizen over for
not allowing them to expand their retirement nest egg as they see fit?
I am seriously concerned about inflation, especially in the health
care sector. If I am still around in 30 years, I think we will have a
huge demand for taking care of the elderly and how do you suppose that
will happen?

I don't think it's fair that someone with a 401k gets to salt away far more
than someone with an IRA.
Maximum IRA contribution: $4,000 or $5,000 if over 50.
Maximum 401k contribution: $15,500 or $20,500 if over 50.
I guess you could buy a no-load annuity from Fidelity. T. Rowe Price, or
Vanguard.
Sandra Loosemore
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:23 pm
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TwoAllBeefPatties <kwokx2@hotmail.com> writes:

Quote:
You are correct. Somehow I got it into my brain that I had a free
lunch with a non-deductible IRA. It would be nice to have a means to
shelter more than just $4000/yr and 401K contributions. Am I out of
line thinking that the government is screwing the US citizen over for
not allowing them to expand their retirement nest egg as they see fit?

Well, the government doesn't want citizens to be able to save *too*
much on their taxes. ;-)

You might still be able to take advantage of the loophole, though.
If you have any money sitting around now in a traditional IRA, or an
old 401(k) plan from a former employer that you can roll over into a
traditional IRA, the law changes in 2008 will allow you to do a Roth
conversion on that money no matter what your income level is. If you
have other funds sitting around you could use to pay the taxes, this
could be a good deal and a way for you to effectively tax-shelter more
of your assets, since money in a Roth is "denser" than the same amount
in a traditional IRA or 401(k) plan. If you decide to do this, it's
often best to spread out the conversion over several years so that it
doesn't push you into a higher tax bracket.

-Sandra the cynic
TwoAllBeefPatties
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:52 pm
Guest
On Jul 15, 12:25 pm, "Ed" <fri...@fishinthe.net> wrote:

Quote:

I don't think it's fair that someone with a 401k gets to salt away far more
than someone with an IRA.
Maximum IRA contribution: $4,000 or $5,000 if over 50.
Maximum 401k contribution: $15,500 or $20,500 if over 50.
I guess you could buy a no-load annuity from Fidelity. T. Rowe Price, or
Vanguard.

OK
W. Wells
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:20 pm
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Sounds like the original poster should be investing in a health care stock
that doesn't pay dividends.

"TwoAllBeefPatties" <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Jul 14, 1:52 pm, Sandra Loosemore <san...@frogsonice.com> wrote:

If you are already fully funding an IRA (either a Roth IRA or
traditional deductible IRA), you can't sock even more money away in a
nondeductible IRA as well.

You need to read IRS publication 590 to read about the different kinds
of accounts and the contribution
limits.http://www.irs.gov/publications/p590/index.html

-Sandra the cynic


You are correct. Somehow I got it into my brain that I had a free
lunch with a non-deductible IRA. It would be nice to have a means to
shelter more than just $4000/yr and 401K contributions. Am I out of
line thinking that the government is screwing the US citizen over for
not allowing them to expand their retirement nest egg as they see fit?
I am seriously concerned about inflation, especially in the health
care sector. If I am still around in 30 years, I think we will have a
huge demand for taking care of the elderly and how do you suppose that
will happen?
Steven L.
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:20 pm
Guest
TwoAllBeefPatties wrote:

Quote:
You are correct. Somehow I got it into my brain that I had a free
lunch with a non-deductible IRA. It would be nice to have a means to
shelter more than just $4000/yr and 401K contributions.

Once you've exhausted the IRA and 401(k) options, the next step is
variable annuities.

http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/varannty.htm

Variable annuities used to be the main tax-shelter vehicle for
upper-middle-class Americans, until IRAs and 401(k)s were invented. But
they're more complex; some of them have surrender charges and other fees
and stuff that are built into them, so know what you're buying.

Vanguard and Fidelity both offer them, and I believe theirs don't have
surrender charges.


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