http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081002/buffett_economy.html

Aw, c'mon Warren.  Don't you have enough money?  Do you really have to
tax the Hell out of the American people just to prop up your multi-
billion dollar empire?  Go screw yourself, Warren.  You are protecting
no one but yourself.

Warren Buffet is whining about the "financial crisis" which is
affecting no one but himself and his rich buddies.  The majority of
Americans are so poor now that they no longer have anything to lose,
and Warren knows it.  So, he is whining to the government.  "Give me
money!!  Give me money!!  I want my money!!"

Sorry, Warren.  You lose your money through inflation, or the markets
collapse, or both.  You have destroyed the American economy through
your greed and stupidity.  Live with it, Warren.  You earned it.

On Oct 2, 11:33 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081002/buffett_economy.html

Aw, c'mon Warren.  Don't you have enough money?  Do you really have to
tax the Hell out of the American people just to prop up your multi-
billion dollar empire?  Go screw yourself, Warren.  You are protecting
no one but yourself.

  Well, obviously. Since he donated most of his money to the tax-free
  Gates Foundation, that's mostly why the people who are real
engineers,
  and not crank druid Lawyers invented the  HDTV-puters, Optical
Computers,
  RISC++, Elibraries, Post AT&T fiber optics, Blogs, On-Line-
Publishing,  On-Line Banking,
  Post New York Times Subcriptions, All-In-One-Printers, post
McDonald's Holograms,
  Post Ford Batteries, Adaptive Piezo, Adaptive PV Cells, neo-wind
energy, neo-solar energy,
  biodiesel,  Post GM robotics, drones,  AUVs, AAVs, cruise missiles,
laser-guided bombs,
  laser-guided lasers, CD+rw, DVD-stack, Bose, GPS, XML, USB, DU Guns,
and non-wank
  IBM ZOOT SUITS,





Warren Buffet is whining about the "financial crisis" which is
affecting no one but himself and his rich buddies.  The majority of
Americans are so poor now that they no longer have anything to lose,
and Warren knows it.  So, he is whining to the government.  "Give me
money!!  Give me money!!  I want my money!!"

Sorry, Warren.  You lose your money through inflation, or the markets
collapse, or both.  You have destroyed the American economy through
your greed and stupidity.  Live with it, Warren.  You earned it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081002/buffett_economy.html

Aw, c'mon Warren. Don't you have enough money? Do you really have to
tax the Hell out of the American people just to prop up your multi-
billion dollar empire? Go screw yourself, Warren. You are protecting
no one but yourself.

Warren Buffet is whining about the "financial crisis" which is
affecting no one but himself and his rich buddies. The majority of
Americans are so poor now that they no longer have anything to lose,
and Warren knows it. So, he is whining to the government. "Give me
money!! Give me money!! I want my money!!"

Sorry, Warren. You lose your money through inflation, or the markets
collapse, or both. You have destroyed the American economy through
your greed and stupidity. Live with it, Warren. You earned it.

On Oct 2, 11:15 am,zzbunker<zzbun...@netscape.net> wrote:





On Oct 2, 11:33 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081002/buffett_economy.html

Aw, c'mon Warren.  Don't you have enough money?  Do you really have to
tax the Hell out of the American people just to prop up your multi-
billion dollar empire?  Go screw yourself, Warren.  You are protecting
no one but yourself.

  Well, obviously. Since he donated most of his money to the tax-free
  Gates Foundation, that's mostly why the people who are real
engineers,
  and not crank druid Lawyers invented the  HDTV-puters, Optical
Computers,
  RISC++, Elibraries, Post AT&T fiber optics, Blogs, On-Line-
Publishing,  On-Line Banking,
  Post New York Times Subcriptions, All-In-One-Printers, post
McDonald's Holograms,
  Post Ford Batteries, Adaptive Piezo, Adaptive PV Cells, neo-wind
energy, neo-solar energy,
  biodiesel,  Post GM robotics, drones,  AUVs, AAVs, cruise missiles,
laser-guided bombs,
  laser-guided lasers, CD+rw, DVD-stack, Bose, GPS, XML, USB, DU Guns,
and non-wank
  IBM ZOOT SUITS,

Warren Buffet is whining about the "financial crisis" which is
affecting no one but himself and his rich buddies.  The majority of
Americans are so poor now that they no longer have anything to lose,
and Warren knows it.  So, he is whining to the government.  "Give me
money!!  Give me money!!  I want my money!!"

Sorry, Warren.  You lose your money through inflation, or the markets
collapse, or both.  You have destroyed the American economy through
your greed and stupidity.  Live with it, Warren.  You earned it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Gee.  That must be why the economy's in such great shape.  Thankyou
for clarifying that point.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Oct 2, 12:17 pm, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:





On Oct 2, 11:15 am,zzbunker<zzbun...@netscape.net> wrote:

On Oct 2, 11:33 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081002/buffett_economy.html

Aw, c'mon Warren.  Don't you have enough money?  Do you really have to
tax the Hell out of the American people just to prop up your multi-
billion dollar empire?  Go screw yourself, Warren.  You are protecting
no one but yourself.

  Well, obviously. Since he donated most of his money to the tax-free
  Gates Foundation, that's mostly why the people who are real
engineers,
  and not crank druid Lawyers invented the  HDTV-puters, Optical
Computers,
  RISC++, Elibraries, Post AT&T fiber optics, Blogs, On-Line-
Publishing,  On-Line Banking,
  Post New York Times Subcriptions, All-In-One-Printers, post
McDonald's Holograms,
  Post Ford Batteries, Adaptive Piezo, Adaptive PV Cells, neo-wind
energy, neo-solar energy,
  biodiesel,  Post GM robotics, drones,  AUVs, AAVs, cruise missiles,
laser-guided bombs,
  laser-guided lasers, CD+rw, DVD-stack, Bose, GPS, XML, USB, DU Guns,
and non-wank
  IBM ZOOT SUITS,

Warren Buffet is whining about the "financial crisis" which is
affecting no one but himself and his rich buddies.  The majority of
Americans are so poor now that they no longer have anything to lose,
and Warren knows it.  So, he is whining to the government.  "Give me
money!!  Give me money!!  I want my money!!"

Sorry, Warren.  You lose your money through inflation, or the markets
collapse, or both.  You have destroyed the American economy through
your greed and stupidity.  Live with it, Warren.  You earned it..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Gee.  That must be why the economy's in such great shape.  Thankyou
for clarifying that point.- Hide quoted text -

   Nobody ever claimed the economy is in great shape.
   The only thing most of us ever claimed is that the only thing
   Wall Street stooges know about A.I.  science, engineering,
   computers, networks,  economics, or jobs, is AT&T jingo boxes and
Warren Buffet.





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On Oct 3, 4:16 am, "zzbun...@netscape.net" <zzbun...@netscape.net
wrote:





On Oct 2, 12:17 pm, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Oct 2, 11:15 am,zzbunker<zzbun...@netscape.net> wrote:

On Oct 2, 11:33 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081002/buffett_economy.html

Aw, c'mon Warren.  Don't you have enough money?  Do you really have to
tax the Hell out of the American people just to prop up your multi-
billion dollar empire?  Go screw yourself, Warren.  You are protecting
no one but yourself.

  Well, obviously. Since he donated most of his money to the tax-free
  Gates Foundation, that's mostly why the people who are real
engineers,
  and not crank druid Lawyers invented the  HDTV-puters, Optical
Computers,
  RISC++, Elibraries, Post AT&T fiber optics, Blogs, On-Line-
Publishing,  On-Line Banking,
  Post New York Times Subcriptions, All-In-One-Printers, post
McDonald's Holograms,
  Post Ford Batteries, Adaptive Piezo, Adaptive PV Cells, neo-wind
energy, neo-solar energy,
  biodiesel,  Post GM robotics, drones,  AUVs, AAVs, cruise missiles,
laser-guided bombs,
  laser-guided lasers, CD+rw, DVD-stack, Bose, GPS, XML, USB, DU Guns,
and non-wank
  IBM ZOOT SUITS,

Warren Buffet is whining about the "financial crisis" which is
affecting no one but himself and his rich buddies.  The majority of
Americans are so poor now that they no longer have anything to lose,
and Warren knows it.  So, he is whining to the government.  "Give me
money!!  Give me money!!  I want my money!!"

Sorry, Warren.  You lose your money through inflation, or the markets
collapse, or both.  You have destroyed the American economy through
your greed and stupidity.  Live with it, Warren.  You earned it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Gee.  That must be why the economy's in such great shape.  Thankyou
for clarifying that point.- Hide quoted text -

   Nobody ever claimed the economy is in great shape.
   The only thing most of us ever claimed is that the only thing
   Wall Street stooges know about A.I.  science, engineering,
   computers, networks,  economics, or jobs, is AT&T jingo boxes and
Warren Buffet.

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Sure.  But, is there any possibility that the "free market" is rather
unlikely to generate the fundamental new technologies we need?  After
all, it's very hard to control a patent on a fundamentally new
technology.  Too much incentive to steal it, or modify it slightly, to
go around the patent.   Inventions that help and fundamentally change
society tend not to make money for their inventors.  One of the flaws
in Capitalism, perhaps?- Hide quoted text -

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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote

is there apossibility that the "free market" is
unlikely to generate the new tech we need?

Having fun thrashing that straw man?  He didnt
even mention any 'free market'

After all, it's very hard to control a patent on
a fundamentally new technology. Too much
incentive to steal it, or modify it slightly, to go
around the patent. Inventions that help and
fundamentally change society tend not to make
money for their inventors.  One of the flaws in
Capitalism, perhaps?

Not a flaw so much as something any inventor
needs to allow for.

Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote





David Pee <imb...@mindspring.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote
is there apossibility that the "free market" is
unlikely to generate the new tech we need?
Having fun thrashing that straw man?
He didnt even mention any 'free market'
After all, it's very hard to control a patent on
a fundamentally new technology. Too much
incentive to steal it, or modify it slightly, to go
around the patent. Inventions that help and
fundamentally change society tend not to make
money for their inventors. One of the flaws in
Capitalism, perhaps?
Not a flaw so much as something any inventor needs to allow for.
Well, that shut _him_ up!
Not really.

It clearly did.

I thought it was such a stupid remark that I didn't think it was worth replying to.

Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.

Although, I realize that the Capitalist > true believers do have some difficulty grasping
the imperfections in their system.  Even, as it collapses around their ears.

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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 5, 6:44 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote

David Pee <imb...@mindspring.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote
is there apossibility that the "free market" is
unlikely to generate the new tech we need?
Having fun thrashing that straw man?
He didnt even mention any 'free market'
After all, it's very hard to control a patent on
a fundamentally new technology. Too much
incentive to steal it, or modify it slightly, to go
around the patent. Inventions that help and
fundamentally change society tend not to make
money for their inventors. One of the flaws in
Capitalism, perhaps?
Not a flaw so much as something any inventor needs to allow for.
Well, that shut _him_ up!
Not really.

It clearly did.

I thought it was such a stupid remark that I didn't think it was
worth replying to.

Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.

Although, I realize that the Capitalist > true believers do have
some difficulty grasping the imperfections in their system. Even,
as it collapses around their ears.

Nothing is collapsing around my ears, fuckwit.
So, how are your stocks doing, Rod?

They aint crashing around my ears.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

They aint crashing around my ears.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081002/buffett_economy.html

Aw, c'mon Warren. �Don't you have enough money? �Do you really have to
tax the Hell out of the American people just to prop up your multi-
billion dollar empire? �Go screw yourself, Warren. �You are protecting
no one but yourself.

Warren Buffet is whining about the "financial crisis" which is
affecting no one but himself and his rich buddies. �The majority of
Americans are so poor now that they no longer have anything to lose,
and Warren knows it. �So, he is whining to the government. �"Give me
money!! �Give me money!! �I want my money!!"

Sorry, Warren. �You lose your money through inflation, or the markets
collapse, or both. �You have destroyed the American economy through
your greed and stupidity. �Live with it, Warren. �You earned it.

So, how are your stocks doing, Rod?

http://finance.yahoo.com/

On Oct 5, 6:44 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote





David Pee <imb...@mindspring.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote
is there apossibility that the "free market" is
unlikely to generate the new tech we need?
Having fun thrashing that straw man?
He didnt even mention any 'free market'
After all, it's very hard to control a patent on
a fundamentally new technology. Too much
incentive to steal it, or modify it slightly, to go
around the patent. Inventions that help and
fundamentally change society tend not to make
money for their inventors. One of the flaws in
Capitalism, perhaps?
Not a flaw so much as something any inventor needs to allow for.
Well, that shut _him_ up!
Not really.

It clearly did.

I thought it was such a stupid remark that I didn't think it was
worth replying to.

Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.

Although, I realize that the Capitalist > true believers do have
some difficulty grasping the imperfections in their system. Even,
as it collapses around their ears.

Nothing is collapsing around my ears, fuckwit.

So, how are your stocks doing, Rod?

Good for you, Rod. Given the Market's down 600 points at this time,
following its new 4 year low on Friday, it sounds like you could make
some good money as an investment counsellor. Have a go.

On Oct 6, 12:57 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 5, 6:44 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote

David Pee <imb...@mindspring.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote
is there apossibility that the "free market" is
unlikely to generate the new tech we need?
Having fun thrashing that straw man?
He didnt even mention any 'free market'
After all, it's very hard to control a patent on
a fundamentally new technology. Too much
incentive to steal it, or modify it slightly, to go
around the patent. Inventions that help and
fundamentally change society tend not to make
money for their inventors. One of the flaws in
Capitalism, perhaps?
Not a flaw so much as something any inventor needs to allow for.
Well, that shut _him_ up!
Not really.

It clearly did.

I thought it was such a stupid remark that I didn't think it was
worth replying to.

Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.

Although, I realize that the Capitalist > true believers do have
some difficulty grasping the imperfections in their system. Even,
as it collapses around their ears.

Nothing is collapsing around my ears, fuckwit.
So, how are your stocks doing, Rod?

They aint crashing around my ears.

Good for you, Rod. Given the Market's down 600 points at this time,
following its new 4 year low on Friday, it sounds like you could make
some good money as an investment counsellor.

Have a go.

On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:18:32 -0400, Les Cargill wrote:

John Galt wrote:

retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:

On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:54:24 +0200, John Galt <kady101@gmail.com
wrote:

retrogrouch@comcast.net wrote:

On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:22:20 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Kraus
jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote:

He agrees with 95% of what you boys say. WHy are you seeking to
burn him if effigy?- Hide quoted text -

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Because he's begging to prop up a corrupt system. Buffet's system
must die. It is evil.

You'd do well to listen to him. He wants it changed. But he's also
very knowledgable about what's out there and what the effects will
be.

He's been calling to regulate it and change it and get back to core
American values of thrift and savings and long term investing. Read
about how he lives. And what he says the system needs.
And you do that reading by studying the Annual Reports of Berkshire
Hathaway, which he writes himself and contains all the information
you need about what Warren considers prudent financial management.


This looks like the mob in the French revolution. All the nobility
will go to the guillotine regardless of culpability. this sort of
ignorance scares me.

Yep.

I've lived in India. I would prefer to not have it recreated here. But,
that's the end result if these financial Luddites ever get control.

JG



It's more likely than you think, I fear. What's sad is that < 5% of all
mortgages are the rotting corpse at the bottom of the village well. And
had people even been *allowed* to exercise any common sense at all, at
least half of those would not have been written at all.

The point is more valid on the other side of the issue concerning the
mortgages. Some microscopic number and some microscopic amount are due
to the 1997 and 1990's efforts of "Community Reinvestment Act" that the
Republicans want to couple with Fannie Mae being regulated by Congress
(and hence, supposedly by Democrats SOMEHOW).

That alignment is a nit.

The major problem in the poor mortgages was the
BUSH initiative of 2001 that was to increase home ownership by minorities
and the American Dream Downpayment Act that helped low income people with
the downpayments further reducing the appreciation of the
responsibilities of mortgaged homes by the "owners". You will find that
the loans were made in the "berbs" and not in the inner city where
"Community Reinvestment" was targeted.

But more importantly you will find that the problem isn't really these
mortgages either but the tools used to back such financial escapades.
This is where we get into the credit swap derivative markets and the
_REAL_ financial mess; the self induced euphoric notion of endless
bubbling and "PROTECTION AGAINST FAILURE".

It was caused by the total lack of any oversight or regulation of these
very highly leveraged "financial insurance" instruments.

Mike wrote:

On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:18:03 -0700, retrogrouch wrote:


On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:59:20 -0700 (PDT), V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:


On Oct 2, 11:33?am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081002/buffett_economy.html

Aw, c'mon Warren. ?Don't you have enough money? ?Do you really have
to tax the Hell out of the American people just to prop up your
multi- billion dollar empire? ?Go screw yourself, Warren. ?You are
protecting no one but yourself.

Warren Buffet is whining about the "financial crisis" which is
affecting no one but himself and his rich buddies. ?The majority of
Americans are so poor now that they no longer have anything to lose,
and Warren knows it. ?So, he is whining to the government. ?"Give me
money!! ?Give me money!! ?I want my money!!"

Sorry, Warren. ?You lose your money through inflation, or the markets
collapse, or both. ?You have destroyed the American economy through
your greed and stupidity. ?Live with it, Warren. ?You earned it.




Well spoken post Jerry.

Buffet wants his stocks to keep going up. So of course he is for
supporting Wall Street at the expense of the financial reamout of the
taxpayer.

Buffet says his kids will have a better life than he and their kids
will have a better life their parents and on and on in perpetuity.

Maybe that is for a billionaire but not for the average Joe or Jane.

Have you ever known a rich man eagerly take losses in their
investments to help out the taxpayer from being further buried in
debt?

Did Buffet ever tell America one word about the sick state of affairs
with our unsustainable consumption and greed driven economy?


What is this nonsense? Buffet has said he's leaving his money to
charity



he left his money to the bill gates foundation, now there's a worthless
parasite if ever there was one (gates, that is)




Bollocks. Just because you don't understand it ( and it *IS* bizarre),
don't throw rocks at it.

Gary Kildall was never gonna Go Large. For good or for bad, Go Large was
needed then.

On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:19:43 -0400, Les Cargill wrote:

Mike wrote:

On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:18:03 -0700, retrogrouch wrote:


On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:59:20 -0700 (PDT), V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:


On Oct 2, 11:33?am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081002/buffett_economy.html

Aw, c'mon Warren. ?Don't you have enough money? ?Do you really have
to tax the Hell out of the American people just to prop up your
multi- billion dollar empire? ?Go screw yourself, Warren. ?You are
protecting no one but yourself.

Warren Buffet is whining about the "financial crisis" which is
affecting no one but himself and his rich buddies. ?The majority of
Americans are so poor now that they no longer have anything to lose,
and Warren knows it. ?So, he is whining to the government. ?"Give me
money!! ?Give me money!! ?I want my money!!"

Sorry, Warren. ?You lose your money through inflation, or the markets
collapse, or both. ?You have destroyed the American economy through
your greed and stupidity. ?Live with it, Warren. ?You earned it.



Well spoken post Jerry.

Buffet wants his stocks to keep going up. So of course he is for
supporting Wall Street at the expense of the financial reamout of the
taxpayer.

Buffet says his kids will have a better life than he and their kids
will have a better life their parents and on and on in perpetuity.

Maybe that is for a billionaire but not for the average Joe or Jane.

Have you ever known a rich man eagerly take losses in their
investments to help out the taxpayer from being further buried in
debt?

Did Buffet ever tell America one word about the sick state of affairs
with our unsustainable consumption and greed driven economy?

What is this nonsense? Buffet has said he's leaving his money to
charity


he left his money to the bill gates foundation, now there's a worthless
parasite if ever there was one (gates, that is)




Bollocks. Just because you don't understand it ( and it *IS* bizarre),
don't throw rocks at it.

Gary Kildall was never gonna Go Large. For good or for bad, Go Large was
needed then.


gates turned the field of computer science into pseudo science

and the
windows monopoly is (and always was) nothing but a huge roadblock
standing in the way of actual advancement of the computer industry.

the
sooner that worthless monopoly is broken the sooner the real computer
revolution can take place

and that will be the driver of a stock market
rally that makes the industrial revolution look like a small blip on the
historical stock chart.

Windows is at worst a digression. This is like saying "Edison didn't
understand A/C, so he made no contribution to the science of
electricity."

Or worse yet - let's set the price of software at "free" and see where
that gets you.