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| Will Trice |
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:27 am |
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jIM wrote:
Quote: I was thinking HSA withdraws are tax free- so that is a tax benefit.
My point was that you'll get the tax benefit regardless of when you make
the withdrawal (barring changes to the law...), so you misht as well
reap the rewards of tax-deferred (or -free) accumulation.
-Will
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| Will Trice |
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:27 am |
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Tad Borek wrote:
Quote: On a more practical level, I do some mental accounting...health
insurance plus HSA is the "medical expense" budget for the year. Some
(or all) of the HSA rolls forward in a "healthy" year, but that's good,
it will help in a more costly one. But at a certain point, it's enough.
Even the HDHPs have out of pocket maximums that aren't all that high,
and with family coverage you can add another $5800/year, going up
annually. So you start thinking about questions like "what if I die
before using that up?" or "do I have too much spooling up in
tax-deferred accounts?" or "isn't it likely the health insurance scheme
will change substantially by the time I retire?" There's a bird-in-hand
aspect to just writing that check now, and a risk of "hoarding" for a
day that never comes.
All of this is true, of course, but doesn't apply just to HSAs. You've
pointed out before how tax-deferred accounts can be overly used in some
circumstances and how things can change out from underneath you.
-Will
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| Gil Faver |
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:45 pm |
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"Gil Faver" <rowdy'sboss@xxyz.com> wrote in message
news:9pWqk.171307$102.111518@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Quote: What is your thinking about not using money in an HSA for medical expenses
if you can afford to pay from your other resources, to allow the HSA to
build up. Assume a healthy, well off person, 50 years old, little medical
expenses or needs. If they pay what little medical expenses they will
have out of pocket, their HSA will continue to build in value.
related questions:
once you are on Medicare, can you still have an HSA qualified insurance
coverage (like Medicare plus or some such thing) and still contribute to
HSA?
what happens to the HSA when you no longer need it? Or when you die?
thanks.
lots of good info and thoughts.
What happens to the HSA when you die?
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| Mark Freeland |
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:00 pm |
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"Tad Borek" <borekfm@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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Quote: Mark Freeland wrote:
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More than potentially... It doesn't seem to matter if you have the
expenses in 2008 and withdraw the HSA money in 2025, using the 2008
expenses to offset the HSA withdrawal.
I wouldn't even consider doing that! I think it's best to match the
withdrawal to the right tax year even if you can read ambiguities into the
law allowing late reimbursements. Plus, I expect these issues to get
tightened up in the future, perhaps very soon. Have you followed the HSA
substantiation bill?
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-5719&version=rfs&nid=t0:ih:186
HR 5719, Section 17, as you note, deals with substantiation (evidence), but
doesn't deal with what is or isn't a qualified expense. This bill (like
most) places the effective date significantly into the future (here,
starting 2011). So even if a bill like this were to be enacted, one would
probably have ample warning to make withdrawals before the new rule kicked
in.
There's no question that this strategy contains a two-fold risk: (1) that
the current law, albeit vague, is found to prohibit applying prior year
expenses, and (2) the law might be changed before you could take advantage
of the old rule. Personally, I'm more concerned about the former than the
latter, but each person's take and risk assessments (not to mention the
amount of money at risk) will differ.
Quote: It's already creeping in - HSA Bank now requires a different process/form
for reimbursements vs. expenses paid directly by check/debit.
What's distinctive is that HSA Bank's form asks the reason for the
withdrawal. (Most banks require withdrawal forms if you go to them and ask
for cash directly, as opposed to making a third party payment via
check/debit card.)
I'm not convinced that HSA Bank's change was anticipatory. Rather, HSA Bank
is using Evolution Benefits' debit card system, and Evolution Benefits (EB)
had been pushing Congress on substantiation (not qualification)
requirements. So seeing a client (HSA Bank) of EB conform to what EB was
pushing may suggest nothing more than usual business pressure. Apparently
EB only wanted legislation to promote its business, and not help the IRS
collect money. When the House obliged with legislation, but went the
obvious extra step of taxing unsubstantiated withdrawals, EB withdrew its
support.
http://www.healthinsurancecolorado.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/eb_letter.pdf
Mark Freeland
nNeEwTs@nyc.rr.com
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